[00:00:08] And with that, I want to welcome everybody to another episode of Crashing Game Night. My name is Matt Vioreo, your host as always. We have a special treat for us tonight. The beanied one and our maitre d'e services are in the same room recording from Gerard's pad, which also means we don't have the couch for the first time in a long time.
[00:00:33] Oh yeah. Oh man. I didn't even think about that. Unless you want to switch it up, Jerry. No couch. The last time we didn't have a couch was LA Comic Con. Because we recorded that week at your house. I'm not here. Yeah. Like, sans on I'm not like actively present. Right. But if I'm actively present, you know, there's always a couch.
[00:01:00] You gotta sit down and relax. But yeah, we're also, we're down the babyface one. Theo is under the weather, not feeling good. So... Hope you feel better, bud. I hope you're feeling better. Make sure you're giving some crap in the chat if you're watching along. Um, cause this is gonna be a spirited one. But... What the hell is this shit? Like, no fair warning, what were you guys doing? Just hanging out? Being, you know, with some buddies today?
[00:01:29] Uh, pretty much, yeah. We just went and got some lunch and then, uh... John Wick 4. I had to watch John Wick 4. Yeah, watching the old John Wick 4 and then Jason was, uh, giving me some more tutelage in the Magic the Gathering. Yeah. Over the table, over the table. Actual, like, over the table, getting it, you know... Getting the feel for it, so yeah. Nice. Everything manually, you know, like... You mean, you actually taught him how to read?
[00:01:58] Uh, and how to, you know, just like... You can't just click a button, you can't click a button and then everything taps for you. Although that really is true. Like, you really gotta read the cards. That's the other thing. Yes, you do. We told you that though. Read your opponent's cards. Yeah. Read all cards. Read all cards, yeah. You absolutely have to do that. It's been fun and, uh, yeah. Just learning a lot. It's a lot, but, uh, I'm getting there. Nice. How are you feeling about it now?
[00:02:27] Good. I'm feeling more and more comfortable about it. Especially like, uh, the layout and what to do and kind of the formula of like how to... The only thing is, is now I gotta, I gotta, um... Yeah, continue reading the cards, but then, uh, you know, understanding what that means and then... Then strategizing it from there because, uh... How the combos work. Yeah. How the combos work or... Mm-hmm. ...or triggering certain lands that can double things. How the stack works.
[00:02:56] Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean, a lot to, to still to follow, but, um, no, every, every time is, I'm getting a bit more and more, uh, comfortable. Good. Yeah, not bad. Yeah, you know, and I'm letting him borrow, like, uh, I had a few, uh, commander decks out, uh, just already made from when I made it way long ago. And so he's gonna borrow, like, one or two and then, you know, get the hang of, like, just...
[00:03:23] How does this work? Or, like, what goes with what? Why is this in here? You know? Yeah. When to do X, Y, and Z. Yes. Play some solitaire, some magic solitaire with himself learning, like, okay, like, turn one. Mm-hmm. Or is it as turn two? What could I do? You know? Yeah. Well, then. I'm getting there. Yeah.
[00:03:47] Well, I mean, that's the best way to do it though, like, is even, like, when I teach people, you know, magic or, you know, we've got, like, when I used to do Final Fantasy TCG, right? We used to always teach, like, open hand too. So you can actually kind of see how and take your time, how things trigger and whatnot. So, um, you'll get there. Also, I'm a great, I'm a visual learner, so that, this works out perfectly. Yeah. It's... Okay. It helps. It helps. We'll have to throw down an arena then see how you're, uh, you're learning.
[00:04:18] I'm going, yeah, yeah. Yeah, with your frickin' yeah. Which one? So, okay. So I was talking to Theo about this really quick when we're talking about decks and stuff. So we've talked about, you know, you've seen my Red Blue, my Oppression Super Friends deck, right? Yeah. So it really is a Super Friends deck because we found out when we were talking about, uh, Fan Expo Denver. Oh. Brandon Routh is going to be there. And then, uh, he actually plays the voice of Raul Zarek in MTG Arena.
[00:04:47] Huh. So my deck is literally the Super Friends. That's dope! Because I've got Superman in it now. That's so cool! Um, and now, like, when I go back and I've played it and stuff, I hear his voice. I'm like, oh, yep, there it is. There's Brandon's voice. That's awesome, man. So, yeah. But let's get to it. So we kind of talked about it last week, about the whole physical versus digital. And Jason so aptly said we could go hours about this.
[00:05:17] Oh, bro. Well, guess what? We're going to touch on that tonight. Oh, without my homeboy. Without my homeboy. Without my backup, you know, that does a lot more digital. But that's okay, because this is going to be a little bit more spirited. But, you know, I think there's going to be pros and cons of both. But, um, you know, the first thing I want to talk about tonight, though,
[00:05:42] because we haven't really completely talked about this, is, um, is Gearbox. And specifically what they're doing with Borderlands 4. Oh, yeah. Um, I think we discussed this off. We've discussed this a little bit off. We've discussed this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at this. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not super tiny. Yeah, you're not.
[00:06:12] You're just playing the, uh, hetero life mate sidekick role. Like, oh, bro. Like. Anyways, Jerry got the reference. Anyways. Um, so Borderlands 4, the, the Echo 4 bundle. Okay. So you're getting. So you're getting. At its face value. Well, just take a second. At its face value. Looks cool. Okay. But let's, let's go through it. Right?
[00:06:37] You're getting the shift code key or code card with five golden keys, which honestly, you're going to be able to just go on and follow their golden key, you know, Twitter account. You're going to just going to get keys anyways. You're getting a vault symbol necklace. You're getting a cloth map of Kairos. The Echo 4 figure, the statue with LED lights. It's an eight inch tall statue. That's a pretty decent size. Tall.
[00:07:08] That's solid. You're getting a set of four double sided lithograph art prints. I'm guessing of all of the new characters. Yeah. All the different characters. Here's the big thing. They are not including the game. At all. This is, I hate to say this. This is like EA level bullshit because they did this with Mass Effect too.
[00:07:37] One of the collector's editions didn't have the game. The other companies called them like collector bundles or like, um, what was it? Entertainment bundles or something like that. This should not be called a collector's edition. It does not come with the game or at least the code for the game. Nothing. It's just collectibles. That's it.
[00:08:03] And what's even worse is like originally this game looked like it was going to be $80. And Randy Pitchford was going well, you know, to the criticism that they're jumping it to 80. It's like, well, if you're a true fan, you'll figure out a way to buy it. So not only that, Gearbox is doubling down. Like, oh no, the fandom, they'll be fine with this. They're going to want to. Uh huh. Because they, they now they, granted the release in the game at 70 after all the backlash, like it was bad.
[00:08:33] I don't even, you know, just anyways. Um, and Randy is still running his mouth. Um, like Randy has always done. He's always been himself. Good or bad. Take it or leave it. But he's still kind of doubling down and was like, well, see, we did something for you. Now do something for us.
[00:08:55] But when we look at all these collectibles and everything like that, um, you can get this bundle at GameStop exclusively for the low, low price of $150. You're pretty much just paying $150 for the statue. Yeah. I mean, let's be real. The others are like perks. You're paying for the statue. Yeah. You're paying for the statue. But agreed.
[00:09:23] Let's, let's add on the price of the game now to it. Now you're looking at a $220 bundle. And, and now, but also the other thing is including the game. If, if, if, if it added that much, then the actual, uh, components of the collectors, like it wouldn't compute like that wouldn't be equal to the game. Yeah. So, I mean, it'd still be like a $200 bundle, which we've seen those before, but yeah.
[00:09:52] So, but if it was $150 and included the game, okay. That's a great collector's, uh, that's a steal. That's a steal. Yeah. Well, nowadays, usually that's what it would be. And like, usually it would be 200. A hundred. I mean. 200 is usually what a lot of collector. Wasn't horizon though. Like let's look at ghost of Shishima was what? 150, 170. Yeah. Horizon with the four forbidden West that collector just ran what?
[00:10:20] A hundred and 70 to 200. It was 200. If you got the big one. Right. Like I think it was close to 200. Yeah. Yeah. So why didn't they just say screw it? Let's just do a $200 bundle and include the game. Like don't get it. Yeah. Cause sometimes people don't want the game. Not going to lie. Not going to lie. They just like the bundle stuff.
[00:10:48] Like there are certain games I wish I would get the bundle for, but I don't not. I know for damn sure. I'm not going to play the game. The only, the only benefit I see to this is that you're doing, you've got that crowd that is physical versus digital, which we're going to talk about. Right? So you still allow them to get all the collector stuff and you could go digital if you wanted to, but they could have done it discounted. You know, GameStop is labeling. I feel like labeling it correctly.
[00:11:18] The echo for bundle GameStop exclusive. They're not calling it a collector's edition. Yeah. So, I mean, the $150 price tag now makes sense. If you're just there to get the collectibles. Cause they've done that with like red dead too. Um, you know, you can get, get the brochure deck of cards and some gold and like the same thing.
[00:11:42] It was almost, it was like 120 or 130 bucks and it came in a, in a lock box. I, so here's, here's my thing though. I just don't agree. Don't call it a collector's edition. Yeah. Don't call it a collector's edition. I think, but here's, here's my bigger problem with this though, is this already hurts Gearbox because with them coming out saying it's going to be $80 for the game before they kind of pulled back and made it 70. Right?
[00:12:10] Like you could have probably saved face and, and done a bundle. Like, and actually put the game in this and even make it 180. Yeah. You're also committing. Cause like a lot of the people that play borderlands, like a high majority, I should say are usually PC players and PC players. They're going to get up most of the time on steam. Highly. They don't really make a lot of PC games for physical anymore. I think this is the other side of the argument.
[00:12:40] Like, like it's been generally, I mean, there still is some borderlands like out there that's on console, but generally that, that game is PC. Um, you know, it's, it's just how it's always been. And if you're going to get out on PC, that's going to be on the steam store. It's going to be on like Epic game store or on, uh, uh, uh, Gearbox's website, which you can purchase digitally. It's going to be a digital download regardless.
[00:13:10] So, I mean, having these physical entities, having that game added in is just an extra headache, honestly. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's just, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a coin flip again. I, I, I don't see it as bad because if you like the statue, if you like the statue, then you're going to get the statue. Cause I mean, let's be real.
[00:13:39] That one 50 is going straight to the statue. Like a lot of statues of that size. Eight inches is going to be roughly one 50, regardless of what it is. Give or take. Yeah. Regardless of what it is, you know, it could be a bus. It could be a game model would be whatever it may be. And if it's a high quality one, yeah, it'll be one 50. If it's lower quality, maybe a hundred bucks or 80 bucks. Yeah.
[00:14:07] So you're not too far off or who even knows, maybe this is the, you know, maybe this is their gamble to adhere to their main players. Like, like Jason said, let me, let me present you with this argument before we get into the major debate is should all collector's editions come like this?
[00:14:31] So this is, this is why I was saying this, this is a gamble, but this is also, I think where I think things are headed. Unfortunately, if it's a PC game, yes, all bundles should be handled this way. But if it is a console, then it should not because I also agree, but I don't, I don't think that way. I think it's gonna, I think it's gonna be like this.
[00:14:56] But here's the argument to that though, is as a, if I'm a physical owning person and you do something like Sony's been doing where it's the bundle and a digital download code. That makes me have to spend more money, right? To get the game or in the physical format that I want. Yeah. Or vice versa, where if it comes with a physical and then say I'm a digital only player, I'm spending an extra $70 to get the game on the format that I want.
[00:15:26] So should, that's what I say, should all collector's editions be like this? And to Jason's point, right? Some people just want the collector's crap. Yeah. Which is why I think this might be, this is what we're gonna see as like the norm. No, I think it's gonna be if it's on PC primarily. Yeah, you're gonna see more of these things.
[00:15:54] But if you don't, if it's gonna be on console, then it's gonna have one of the two, either the digital download or the physical. Um, don't disagree with me. Get out of my room. No, no, I'm just saying, look, it's, it's cause I mean, what's like, you have to sell the game with for the system, for the system. You have to sell the game for whatever platform you're going to be on. And again, a lot of PC players, they usually just get it via the steam store.
[00:16:24] You can't really buy a lot of collector's editions, um, with physical stuff on the steam store. You, I don't think you can. You can get like the bonus. Actually, that's actually true. Cause there's usually not a PC option. It's either like the console options. Yeah. So you can, for the PC, you can get the bonus add ons, the DLC stuff, the extra maps, levels, extra skins, et cetera, et cetera. Those are easily coded in, but to have a physical thing.
[00:16:53] So much for being the PC master race then, huh? Well, I mean, like it's still is because you know, you're still going to get the game. It's just up to you. You can't like face reality. I mean, PC master, like PC are superior to consoles. No, no, I'm, I just prefer consoles. I'm just saying that like with this, if you want the collector's bundle, you're not forced to get the game in order to get the whole thing. You can get the game. You can enjoy it without the bundle.
[00:17:22] You can get the bundle without enjoying the game. That's up to you. You can wait for the steam store. You can wait for it on Friday. I wait for every goddamn black Friday. You guys know, I don't buy, I don't buy games throughout the year. I just buy them one day of the year. That's right. And I buy like eight games. That's your backlog. And then they sit on a shelf wrapped and not go anywhere. Hey, I have three games wrapped up. It's okay. Ain't no shame in my game.
[00:17:48] You know what though? Like part of me is though, you know, as much as I look at this though, like part of this is gearbox. This is just kind of a bad look for them. Right. Because everything with the pricing, the fiasco with that too. But I, I am going to be on the side of, I think all collector's edition should do this.
[00:18:16] And then allow you to get like the game or something discount or whatever, but like do all the collector's edition stuff as its own bundle. And then you can pick up the game in the format of your choice. Yeah. You know, because then you're not like I talked about, it's like, you look at horizon, right? They did the collector's edition. That's not a bad idea. And it was a download code, right? You look at some of their other PlayStation games are, well, it comes with the disc.
[00:18:43] And then the people that are digital only have to go spend $70 to get the game. And they're already over. So if they give you the option at the store, like digital, physical or a console, what would, you know, what's your preference? And then you're not having this. And then you don't have multiple SKUs, right? You have the SKU for the bundle. You have the SKU for your physical and SKU for your digital. That's it.
[00:19:08] You have three SKUs versus having to do a bundle of physical bundle of digital, whatever. Separated by each console. Correct. Yeah. That's not a bad idea, dude. So I think I agree to your point, though. I think, Jerry, this is the way it's probably going to end up going. Because I feel that's where that's headed. Yeah. Because I've seen a lot of content creators talking about that, you know, gaming is heading towards a subscription model. Let's just be honest. Right.
[00:19:38] And the reason it's been suggested is because Outer Worlds 2, which is coming out October 29th, is going to be digital only on the Xbox. It is not going to have a physical version for Xbox owners. So it's only because.
[00:20:08] Because they're saying there's such an install base with Game Pass that everybody's just going to be playing it on Game Pass. Right. So that's why they're only going to do it as a digital only. But PlayStation is getting physical. No, it's okay. Xbox. Xbox getting a physical, is it? It is not getting a physical. What's that physical? In the middle. This is a digital game code.
[00:20:36] Like a digital deluxe or? It is basically you are getting the case and a digital code is in the box. Wow. Wow. It's kind of jacked up. Yeah. I wouldn't have done that. For $20 more too. But I understand them going, I mean, obviously, like we've been saying it, they're all in on Game Pass. I get that. Don't go physical. Everything's going through Game Pass. I get it.
[00:21:06] And I think that's cool that they're going the physical for PS5, giving them the option. Obviously, they may not be able to download. That's cool. But this is feels kind of like a slap in the face. Here's my problem. I have with this. I get it. Microsoft is going with their data, right? And data doesn't lie. So, you know, they're looking at the numbers, but going with a digital game code for Xbox.
[00:21:36] I'm like, forget. You're essentially paying the $100. I mean, pretty much for an empty box. You're getting the premium content, which is the game, five days early access, DLC, corporate appreciation premium, and access to the digital art book and the original soundtrack. You're getting an empty box, right?
[00:22:00] But here's my thing with this is like for me, if I were an Xbox fan, I hear the codes. So here's my problem with this that I have is that what if I don't have internet and I'm an Xbox owner? I have a series X, which we know is the is the mini fridge that has a disk drive. So I buy all my games on a disk.
[00:22:31] Now you've just alienated me. I can't play out of worlds to granted to them. That's the minority. But still, you are now alienating part of your player base by going digital only. Hmm. Well. We've been saying it.
[00:22:54] They're going and what makes matters worse to your point that it's a slap in the face is that PlayStation is getting physical copies for the same price disc and code in the box. So you're getting everything you need.
[00:23:23] So I think it's the code for the digital content. Yes. Yeah. So like that just doesn't make sense to me like disk and code. That means that you get to know, I think it's a code for the digital code for everything like the DLC, the corporate, whatever, right? They're just being upfront that it's included. It's a it's a code, right? I can't see them doing two copies. No physical. And no, that's that's stupid. You're shooting yourself in the foot.
[00:23:52] Um, you know, but at that point, right, is I think that's a real slap in the face that you're going physical for a platform that now granted Xbox is basically said there is no console war, right? Let's let's preface that right. But to the average gamer, there's still a console war between PS5 and Xbox. And now you're basically going to your competitor and saying we're giving you the physical our players. Well, guess what? You're you're stuck on digital only.
[00:24:21] Well, I mean, like I still kind of I still kind of I understand it. I mean, because like they're they're all in on game pass. Yeah, that's why I understand it. And they they're giving the other console, the other console players the option to play it. But but people want like I understand them giving them physical.
[00:24:44] Um, I just don't understand the premium edition with the box with the codes like that just seems like just let them buy the codes or something, you know? Um, but yeah, I don't really see a problem with that overall. I mean, I know. I know Xbox. Yeah, they're all in on game pass. I mean, is it going to be free on game pass or is yet? Oh, no, it's going to know. It's free with game pass if you if you have game pass. Yeah. So if you have game pass.
[00:25:14] So I mean, pretty much what they're doing now is there are having everybody be on game pass. If you're not on game pass, why are you owning an Xbox? That's the pretty much. They're just keeping to their word at one sticking with game pass and also, you know, giving the titles that they announced that that were going to be on a PlayStation. Uh, are so they're just stick sticking to their word. This is this is what this come on. You guys you guys know this is what's going to happen.
[00:25:42] Xbox has on game pass is digital. It's fine. I'll all peachy cane. Uh, you're going to get physical on PlayStation 5, which is it just fine peachy cane. You can get some digitals as well. Cool. Yeah, then it's going to go on sale on both of both ends. And then this is what's going to be the kicker is that once it goes on sale, then it's going to be on PlayStation plus in about 11 months for free.
[00:26:12] You know, so it is you just have to wait it out. It's up to you if you want that physical. How much do you love that game? How much are you like interested and invested into it? Because yes, like there are games that I do buy, you know, like for four for full price, you know, because I'm interested.
[00:26:31] I'm invested in those games, but Ubisoft doesn't have any games that I'm like, like fully invested or I can wait till later to buy and pick those up later for a cheap black Friday. You know, as per usual, you don't even have to wait for black Friday for Ubisoft games. Oh, sometimes you just wait like two months and they're already on sale. I'm going to do on the occasion. Yeah, but but then if there's how I got outlaws.
[00:27:00] Yeah, two months later, it was for 40 bucks. Yeah. And about in about four months from now, it's going to be for free on PlayStation plus. I'm just saying like it is. It's how like we've developed that as the games popularity decrease increase. That's when you're going to start getting those like, OK, when does it go on the free side? At this point, Microsoft has pretty much everything on the free side. You just have to subscribe to it.
[00:27:28] And I don't know how much it was a 20, 25, 25 a month, 20. Let me pull up. I think it's 20 at the moment, 20 a month. Let's just let's just say 20, 20 a month. So that's 12 months. That's 240 a year. That's the average price of three games. So you're getting more games on their subscription service, whether or not you like them or not.
[00:27:58] Versus getting those three games that you do love. And anticipating it, wanting it, enjoying it, maybe catching it on sale, you know. So here you go. So let's look at Game Pass. Game Pass on PC is $12 a month. Ultimate is $20 a month.
[00:28:24] This this has cloud, you know, it has a so you can play games on your PC, online multiplayer. That's it. You know, that's the big difference between there. If you're looking at console, core is $10. Includes, you know, 25 catalog deals. Standard is 15. Day one games. That's all you need to look at. Day one games. Day one games. Ultimate. 20 bucks. 20 bucks a month. 20 bucks a month.
[00:28:54] You are paying for the rough cost of three full games. Granted, yes, you do have to have internet in order to do all of it. But this point in time, like, not gonna lie, like, it's kind of a little bit hard not to. But I mean, doing $20 a month to do play whatever they have in their catalog is by far better than just doing. It's a hands down 100% better. Yeah.
[00:29:24] And I think this is gonna be the stepping point. The stepping point of when they actually go full throttle on this. They needed to do this a while ago. But some of the games that they've had previously that were Xbox exclusive were not so great. That's okay. You know, but now that there's a potential game that's gonna be the hit maker.
[00:29:53] Having it just on game pass. Yeah, you're cutting back on tons of costs on physical, which is, you know, a big, big plus. Like we've said, a lot of stuff is gonna at some point go digital. But they're going 100% full throttle that, hey, you have game pass ready, you're putting $20 a month, we got you for $240 a year, regardless of what you do.
[00:30:20] Per, let's say, like, let's say every 100 people, you know, maybe 75 of them try it out. Mm-hmm. 25 of them stay on it. 10 of them keep playing after they finish the game. You know, they still got all those 100 people. They still got everybody. So, I mean, like, regardless if you played or not, they still got you.
[00:30:45] Also, if you think about it, since our predictions are, you know, digital is gonna be, you know, the end all, we're eventually gonna go full digital at some point. What are the collector's editions gonna look like then?
[00:31:01] You know, I think, once again, this is just a stepping stone of, you know, what's to come into the future, where, you know, collector's editions are just gonna be, you know, the lithographs, the statue, and like some extra perks and stuff like that now. So, you know, maybe we're seeing this, you know, the start of what is to come. So, let's bridge out into that. So, we've talked about it before.
[00:31:32] The great physical versus digital debate. Okay. I don't really think it's gonna be much of a debate, though. Do you think now, like, as we move forward with this, and this is really kind of what I want to talk about, because we now, we have Nintendo moving forward with the game cards. Okay. Yeah.
[00:31:52] Which, we all know, like I've talked about on the podcast before, is, um, it, that license has always been there. We just, none of us have ever read the fine print. It's always been there, right? Take that aside now. But we have Nintendo going the digital key cards, which is a digital game downloaded. You gotta have that key card in order to play the game.
[00:32:14] You have Xbox now going with starting to put dip their toe in the water of going digital only for their platform games that are going to be on Game Pass. Do you, do you foresee physicals? Like, how soon do you see for physicals kind of going away at that point? Right now that we're starting to see that.
[00:32:40] I think it's going to peter out or it's gonna, or really it's not going to go away. I think it's just, I think the opportunities are going to be fewer and far between. And I think the options are going to be fewer if we want to go the physical route. Because digital is going to be the future and most things are going to be digital.
[00:33:04] But I still think here and there, we're going to get the physical option or maybe, you know, yeah, just the option to go physical if we want. But, um, I don't know. I just, I just don't like the idea of it fully being dead, but that could be a possibility, man. Like it, there's, that's also a possibility.
[00:33:31] So yeah, hell is about to freeze over with what I'm about to say. Because you guys know exactly where I sit normally speaking. Okay. My, my PS5 collection is all digital. All the games I personally play for my switch are digital. But after having.
[00:33:57] The switch online family sharing, you know, and being able to share games and stuff like that. There has to be a place for physical. There has to be because. You know what? As kind of convenient as it is to be able to share a game. Yes. Yes. Jason, Jason, just let me finish. Yes. Right now you're hearing the cracks of the, the glacier. We're just, you're embracing the cracks.
[00:34:28] You see the glacier starting to flow over the, you know, the river sticks right now. But here's the thing is, is like, yeah, it's kind of nice. 14 days, lend it out to, you know, the kids and stuff like that. But it sucks when that time runs out when they're smack dab in the middle of a game. And which we've experienced that now. Um, one of my kids has been playing Pokemon sword.
[00:34:57] Oh, for the, like the virtual cards, the virtual card. So you loan it out for 14 days. It is a literal timestamp when it runs, it hits that timestamp. Boom. It's gone. Doesn't matter. So you have to, you have to send it again. I have to turn around and said that game back to him again. And he has to be physically with that switch with me in front of it. So both switches have to be there talking to each other, like right next to each other
[00:35:25] to talk to each other, to send it across. Okay. So for me, when you, when you have family, having that physical cartridge is well worth it compared to the sharing. The sharing is great. Don't get me wrong as one offs and stuff like that. But if they're constantly wanting to share or switch out games, which my kids do, like it becomes a pain. Whereas if it's a physical cartridge.
[00:35:55] Yes, Jason, I'm uttering the words physical out of my mouth and agreeing on some things is that they can just walk in, grab, grab the case, open it up, grab the cartridge and put it in. So I think from a family environment where there's multiple switches or PlayStations, whatever it is, it's better to have physical.
[00:36:20] Now for if it's just me, digital works just fine for me, right? Me, myself and I. But once you start adding in other people in a household, I think physical has to be there. It has to be an option. And the fact that Xbox is now dipping their toe into it. You know, I don't know how sharing works for Game Pass.
[00:36:49] Like, can you have it loaded on separate systems? Do you, you know, is it like PlayStation where you can have the one console that is going to have people on it sharing it like that's dubbed your primary and you don't have to always be logged into it versus and then the system you're going to be using has to always be connected to the Internet and always logged in. I don't know how that part works.
[00:37:18] But it's still for me like they want to be able to play the game on different systems. I think they need to have physical and I think going the route of all digital because your, your, your player base has is usually on Game Pass. I think that's kind of I think it's going to move everything to being a Netflix type thing for them.
[00:37:42] And when you look at a player base that may not have Internet access, you know, and their only reliance to be able to enjoy the Xbox ecosystem is physical. You're now you're going to start relating your fans, especially now it's saying, you know, PlayStation's like, hey, by the way, over here, we're getting physical. And PlayStation has not up their prices on their consoles yet.
[00:38:10] But Xbox did Xbox is on speaker box and mini fridge. A hundred bucks a piece. Mm hmm. So now a digital Xbox Series S is the same price as an all digital PS5. So, yeah, Jason, let's hear it. You heard me utter the words the physical is necessary.
[00:38:35] Oh, let me just ask in that glory real quick. Not this. OK, this is my this is my take on it. This is my reason why that physical is not going to go away. Like it'll be close. It'll get close to it. But it won't like it's only going to be physical for major titles. Now, this is the thing. This is the reason why any games. No point.
[00:39:04] No point in having any reason whatsoever having a physical. Like if you if you have a big game that goes big, then it even gets a physical. That's that's questionable. So any games out all games out. No point. But major titles are the only ones that will still have physical secondary titles is a coin flip. Only if it's a like a well established franchise.
[00:39:32] Or it depends on I would say it would depend on the like the hype in the atmosphere. No, not even. No, really? Not even that. OK, if if they have a if they have a big backing, a big big daddy corporation wants to back that, then that's the only way it's going getting physical. The reason why is because, yeah, like Mario, Metroid, they'll be going back. There'll be nobody wants to share those. And there's the thing.
[00:40:02] The big thing is sharing. Xbox right now is going straight into that game pass. I'm going everything online. Yes, we don't know how that sharing works. But if I have game pass, if Jerry has game pass and Matt has game pass, all three of us already have this game, regardless of what's happening. You know, so that Xbox, like I said, going full throttle with the digital makes sense. It's fine because everybody has to have pretty much game pass.
[00:40:30] If you don't have game pass on Xbox, I'm sorry, you are missing out on a lot. You kind of are handcuffed in that way. But for PlayStation users, you know, yes, you can get PlayStation Plus or if you want to play a lot of single player games, which Sony has been amazing at story wise, single player games. You don't need to have the PlayStation Plus.
[00:40:56] You can go off offline if you want to per se. And that's why you need to keep that physical because major titles like let's say Ghost of Tsushima, you know, you guys let me borrow actually have a copy of Ghost of Tsushima. Yep. Would I have been able to pick it up? Would I have been able to play it? Had you not given it to me? Probably not because it's not in my usual wheelhouse of games that I like to play.
[00:41:26] It's becoming because like the story is just so great. It's good, you know, like that opened up your palette. It opens up a palette. But again, it goes back to the good old days of PlayStation where you're like, how do we share a game? Oh, you don't have it. I got it. You can borrow here. You can borrow it. And that's why there's major titles are going to have greatest get at E3 ever. I really agree. It's still holds up. That really was so great. It's still holds up. That's why. Adam Boyce and Shuhei, you know. Yeah.
[00:41:56] It still holds up. There you go. You like to share games. And so simple to the point. Yeah. And it's still. But it's, but digital is going to start taking over all the non major titles. Triple A games. It's going to be a coin flip if Big Daddy Corporation wants to put it on a, on a, on a platform. Like, let's say for example, Red Dead 2. Red Dead 2 is not going to be a physical. It's probably going to be a digital. Um, like when they do a remake.
[00:42:27] Or whatever remake they want to do again, as long as it's not until dawn. Like we're okay. Um, I mean, they might make a movie. They make, might make a movie adaptation. What about. Already done. What about Last of Us Part 2 remake, remaster? Yeah. See, that's going to be digital. Like the reason why is because if you don't already have the fricking Last of Us 2 from
[00:42:53] 10 years ago, you're still not going to get it on a, as a physical. Like, let's be real. You're not going to get a physical. What are you trying to do? You trying to just get a part of history? Like, no. Yeah. So. Even if you're a super fan and like, you know, do you have every copy of the Last of Us physically? No. Yes. Look at that face. Yeah, look at it. Jason. You, you can't see that face, but he is, he is like.
[00:43:23] Yeah. Yeah. Nevermind. But I mean. Oh no, that's not true. I didn't, not for PS4. I didn't get it for PS4. Yeah. See, so I waited. I, at that point I had five PS5. So I waited for the PS5. Horizon. Horizon. You have the first one, the second one. I bought them both. Yeah. Yeah. You have the remake. You have the DLCs. I mean, again, major titles. These are like make or break titles for systems because they're the, the flagships, you know? Agreed. Yeah.
[00:43:52] So, I mean, I'm not going to see like major or minor games have physical. I don't, I don't, I don't expect it to. That's fine. That's a digital download. That's, that's all by me. But. If Final Fantasy third, the third part, if it's digital only, there will be upright. There will be riots. Fuck. Yeah. Think about that. Like there will be. Yes, there is. Because how are you going to make such a massive game? Yes, it'll be easier on that.
[00:44:21] It'll be easier to download digitally. It'll spread to everybody instant. So you have that 12.01, blah, blah, blah. But the fact that it is a man, massive, massive major game, especially the third one. Like, everybody wants that physical. It doesn't matter. Like it's, they'll, they'll, they'll pitch in for it. And that's, that's the whole point of this whole like digital thing that's going on.
[00:44:44] And that is one that I went and bought the digital version of Rebirth, went online and got some of the, the special edition stuff. I mean, look, let's take a look at intermission as intermission was completely downloaded. It's digital. There's no, there's no physical copy of it. But did it have a good output? Yeah, it did. But did everybody get it? Not really. No.
[00:45:13] Because yes, it's this, it's a, it's a, a full game DLC as they call it and the full game DLC, but it's completely digital. It wasn't, it wasn't physical at all. And you, we have nothing tangible. I was able to play it until after I like fully got it. And like, I couldn't share with Jerry. And like, Oh, Hey, check this out. Like all you need.
[00:45:36] I mean, I'm actually thinking about going and picking up the physical drive for my PS5 to start getting some stuff digitally. Because eventually I'm going to want to get probably a second system for, you know, my place. So my kids can, you know, play PS5 without having to hijack mine. Yep. You know, and at that route, you're going to just need the discs.
[00:46:06] Yeah. You can share back and forth. You cannot, it's, it's going to be too much for it to be like, Oh, let me download it. Let me download it. Or you have to put your account on two separate ones. And then that one has to be permanently attached to the internet. Like it locks you out from guys can't play at the same time. So no, you can actually do that. So the way PS5 works is you just have to tag one system as the primary.
[00:46:35] And then they can log in with their profile. They still share all the access, everything on the system, your second system, which may be my prime, like the one I play on all the time. That secondary system has to be always check in for the digital rights, the DMRs or DRMs rather. I don't know if you can do it at the same time. Like you can, we used to do it, you know, but then it just became such a hassle because of your internet goes out. Well, guess what?
[00:47:04] Your secondary PS5 can't work. You can't play any of the games because it can't check in to verify that your actual owner. So, you know, for those that are going to be listening to the show this weekend or, you know, watching it, you know, on YouTube when we post it, you know, I want to hear your thoughts on it. And you guys can even weigh in on the fact that I uttered those words. Say it again, baby. Say it again, baby. Physical is necessary.
[00:47:33] Oh, somebody clipped that. Oh, love it. And I, I have to say it because of the experience of my kiddo. He was sitting there literally playing Pokemon sword. And all of a sudden it's like, Hey dad, I need you to send me Pokemon sword again because I don't have access to it anymore. It sends it back to you already. And if they had physical, they wouldn't have needed to worry about it. Right. Yeah.
[00:48:00] So, so I think there is no matter what, there's still going to be a need. It just, it matters. Or I guess it's just to the point of like, it's going to be a niche need or it's going to be specific. But like I said, it's just going to be the major, major titles, major titles only will get physical. Right. You're starting to see it slowly now. I mean, like how many, how many, how many games have you seen?
[00:48:26] Like go on to just the digital market versus like, Oh, Hey, it's going to be in the stores. Yeah. I think this, the, the whole border going back to the borderlands bundle, I think is just the next step and another stepping stone of scene. Oh yeah. Going, of going full digital and not like, well, go on the route you want to go. Right. Like, I don't think it should be one was a one, one 50, one 50. Yeah. It's kind of, yeah.
[00:48:57] The prices prices. All right. In regards to it, not, not including a game. I, I, I understand why. Yeah. I mean, I, again, I understand the direction. I want to see it at one 25 instead. One 25 is the sweet spot. Honestly. Yeah. Um, one 29, maybe one 30. One 29 99. That's that's one. One 19. That's enough where I would be okay with like, okay.
[00:49:23] The, the statue, the lithographs, all the other stuff, you know, maybe some digital content that would have been nice. And then I would, I would have been good with that price, but yeah. Dang, man. One, one 49. Like that's yeah. Yeah. Cause I mean, you will again, and then you will buy the game. If you're, if you're getting. Yeah. That you are going to buy the game, you know, on what system, on what platform, whatever. Yeah. You, which is, you know, that might be the way to go. Cause then it's also between 70 to 80 bucks.
[00:49:53] You can also send out more of those collectors additions because you don't have to worry about adding the game. The game. You know, and then that that's one less copy of the game. That's going to be like not sold. You know? Yeah. Sure. It's fine. Um, I did, you know, before we go tonight, I, I do want to share. I do, I do have a collector's corner item. Oh, okay. I don't have my stuff.
[00:50:21] So, you know, Oh, it came in nice. This is the Nintendo game cube controller that, uh, only works with this switch to. Um, I went ahead and snagged it now because I wanted to get it before they ran out and didn't have restocks forever on it. Like we can finally start getting the N64 controller, but for ages, you couldn't get it. Mm.
[00:50:48] So now it, now it matches up with the fact that I've got a couple of these. Cool. It's joining the, the controller collection. Um, because yes, I will be getting a switch to right. I, that's, it's already been stated. I'm going to get one eventually. So I figured, you know what? No harm. We're getting this bad boy now. Yeah. And ensuring I have it because you better believe I'm going to want to play wind waker.
[00:51:19] Oh yeah. On that, you know, I'm going to want to play the other games on that when it comes out. So, um, but furthermore from a, what I've been playing perspective, um, we were talking about Xbox. Um, I've been playing Forza five or Forza horizons five. Oh, my PS five. I bought it. Very cool. I am playing it.
[00:51:49] Um, that is, they did an amazing job. Gain that's run on the PS five. It looks so good. It loads really well. Um, and the other thing that I like is it hooks into my Xbox. Gamer tag account. So all of my friends on there, their drive at ours are showing up in Forza.
[00:52:16] So like over there, I follow Phil Spencer and major Nelson and also friends of the show, you know, um, Danny Pena, Khalif Adams. Like, so I'm racing against their drive at ours in sports. So it, you know what? Really, really well done. Kudos to, to their teams.
[00:52:41] Um, I, now that I've played this, it makes me more excited for those fans of gears of war. Once that comes out because of how well they did Forza. Uh, give me fucking Halo already, please. Yeah. Halo. Mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. You know, but yeah, I've been playing, um, playing that and it's disappointing that Theo is not here. I, I'm not sure.
[00:53:11] Because I picked back up a game that he and I own on multiple platforms. Oh. And, and that is Hugh. I was about to say. Oh. Yeah. Our little fun indie that Theo and I have, we will praise the high heaven. And for anybody, you know, on a switch on PlayStation, go, go get Hugh. It is, it's a fantastic indie.
[00:53:38] Um, I'm going for the platinum on the PlayStation. Oh, very good. I've already beat. I've already beaten it. Um, I think like 80% on the switch. Um, you know, I beat it on the Vita. So now I'm going for it on the, on the PS five. So I just unlocked the last of the colors so I can go start backtracking and going, looking for all the, the beakers to do that with. Um, so there's that.
[00:54:08] And then of course, you know, we've been playing some destiny. Um, so just to kind of let everybody know, we've made the collective decision. We are going to start streaming our sessions because the shit talking is back that everyone used to, used to love when we used to sit there and stream like call of duty and all that as a group.
[00:54:31] So that is going to start happening because man, it has been a blast with a lot of laughs as we, you know, just get back to playing destiny too. Um, so it's definitely something that the fans would absolutely understand. And look at that. Hey, the boys just rated us. We miss you guys. Hey, hey, Justin, Justin, you, you get, you get that ticket to evil yet. You get that ticket to evil.
[00:55:01] Right now. You know, I'm calling you out right now. You get that ticket to evil. Like, you know, bro. So we need to get the rupees. We need to do a collab session. It's been a while. It's been a while since we've had them, had them all. Darren. We got to get them. We got to get hooked up. Yeah, man. Got to get the rupees back on. We miss you guys. Um, I know Darren is a dad now.
[00:55:29] He's got a little bit hands full, you know, hopefully the baby's doing well, but, uh, we need the rupees back on. So let's, let's do some talk in here. Um, you know, for everyone that kind of jumped in, we were on tonight's show. We're coming to an end. Um, so normally our, we're recording an hour later tonight than we normally do. Cause my kiddos last baseball game was tonight. We'll be back to our normal session. Um, time next, uh, next week.
[00:55:58] We'll talk about programming here in a second, but Jerry, Jason, one of y'all, what have you guys been playing? Uh, well, I've been trying to teach, uh, Jerry magic lately. Uh, and so that's been, uh, kind of helping out a little bit. Um, playing wise, Blastro still just, I mean, it's easy to get up your game. No, but it's so easy to just pick up, play for like 20 minutes and then like roll out, you know? Um, cause otherwise I got work.
[00:56:27] I got to go to sleep and go to work, man. Gotcha. Got that work life. No. And then, uh, you know, here and there I'll watch a TV show in between, but yeah, just quick 30. Then boom. Then, and then also, also, yeah. I've also been having Justin to make sure that he gets his ticket to Evo. You know, he's got a place to stay. He's got a place to stay. He just needs to get to Evo and, you know, get his trip. Uh, you know, he'd be. Is Evo still in Vegas? Still in Vegas. It's in August.
[00:56:57] So, you know, he's still got time. He's still got a month and a half, almost two months, Justin. So just, uh, you know, throwing it out there, Justin, you need to get your ticket to Evo. See, and every, every, like, I feel like they probably finished up. That's why the rupees. Cause like normally I'd be going right after we finish. Just hit him up right away. Hey, you going to Evo? You going to Evo? I'm going to get them. I'm going to get them. I'm going to get them. Let's see. Uh, what have I been playing? Uh, dark ages.
[00:57:25] Uh, I've slowly been playing that. That's been kind of my go-to after like long sessions of like, uh, uh, like good single player, like Spider-Man or last of us. Um, uh, obviously I've been playing some magic. I've been, uh, learning a bit more and destiny that's. Oh, and I, I started a new run of Mario Odyssey. Uh, that's been kind of my game. Ooh, I've been taken to work at my lunch. Yeah.
[00:57:55] So that's been fun to replay actually. I think, uh, because of the, um, Donkey Kong Bonanza direct. Mm-hmm. It kind of, it reminds me so much of Odyssey. It kind of got me as like, you know what I'm going to. Well, it takes place before. Where can start playing? Timeline wise. It takes place before Mario Odyssey. Oh, because the, the little kid in Donkey Kong Bonanza, that is Pauline. Oh, that's Pauline. Yeah, that's right.
[00:58:25] So anyways. Um, so yeah, so for our listeners, um, the next five weeks, we're going to try and keep as much of a schedule. Um, the week after 4th of July, we will be off that week. And then the last week of July, we will be recording on an earlier date for that week. Um, because that's when I'm going to be heading back East.
[00:58:55] Um, and whatnot for my move. But, uh, you know, for all those, you know, hung out after the, the rupees show is over with thank you for hanging out rupees. We love you. We need you back on. Yeah. They're gonna text you. We need you back on. We'll figure out timing wise. Um, but if you like what's heard, you know, drop us a follow here on, on Twitch, but also head over to crashing game night.com. Um, you know, follow us on the platform of your choice there.
[00:59:23] We, uh, speaking of the rupees, we do have a contributors, uh, and guest page on our website where you can go look up our guests. Uh, the rupees have their own guest profile on the website and you can go watch their episodes that they've been on in the past. Um, but right now things are super crazy in the world right now. Um, so please just everybody be excellent to each other.
[00:59:54] That's right. That's right. Everybody. Once again, we want to send out that same message as Matt said. Uh, it is, uh, crazy out there. Um, a lot of people have their own opinions and a lot of people are protesting for good reasons. And you know, it's, um, it's just a gets dangerous out there. So everybody just please, um, be smart. Uh, let's all just try and help everybody out and listen.
[01:00:20] Let's try and be open and, uh, let's just try to do and be better out there. And overall, uh, just be safe and, uh, watch out for one another and, uh, lend a hand whenever you can. Um, but overall, just please be safe. It gets like, like Matt said, it's crazy out there. It can get even crazier. It can, it can tip off, you know, quickly. So sorry.
[01:00:50] Uh, yeah. Be safe. Thank you, everyone. He said tip. To J rock directly next to me. Oh my God. Look at that. I got, I got HD. Look at, look at the, look, I get to see the beard and the main in HD. Yeah, too bad. Too bad. It's all like in the black background. It really is. Yeah. Oh, good.
[01:01:17] Anyways, guys, like they were saying that please, please be safe out there. Be smart out there. You know, it is, it is what it is. It's the beginning of summer too. As well. Kids are now officially, regardless of where you are out of school. So please take care of them, you know, make sure they're okay. Stay hydrated everywhere inside. You know, like you may go outside for a little bit.
[01:01:42] Make sure you stay hydrated because that summer, man, that, that, that heat. Don't want you to get a heat exhaustion. Don't want you passing out all that craziness. So, you know, just enjoy your summer. Enjoy the start of it, you know, cause there's still two months of it to go. So don't burn out right away. You got plenty of games to play. You got plenty of comics to read. You got plenty of shows to watch. Yep. Don't worry. Relax. It's the start of summer. You take a time, take a time. Relax. Too bad.
[01:02:12] I don't have my boy. Theo. Oh, man. I'm not. Do it for yourself. I think, I think, no, and I'll just set you up. Let me set you up. No, no, I got to set it up, but it's just always like, it's going to be funny. Cause I'm going to toss it to Jerry right now. Oh shit. Jerry is right here. No, cause I'm going to make it my own. Jerry is right here. So my man, Dale Walski, I miss you buddy, but Jerry, in the same room as me, send it out like Theo does. Send it out like Theo does.
[01:02:43] I'm already nervous. I can't do it. I'm doing it my own. Nope. Send it out like Theo does. Alright everyone. Okay. Hold on. On this end, because how Jason's sitting, he's looking like the Cheshire Cat right now with like the rest of the body disappearing every once in a while. Alright everyone. Just Stereo. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. That'll be all. God damn it. I forgot. That'll be it. That'll be it. Jason, do you mind? I'm just going to do this. No. You're not going to do it. I did it.
[01:03:13] End it. Nope. Nope. I'm going to keep going. That's right. I'm going to keep snapping. You're not going to do it. End the show. We've got it. TTFN. Tata for now. Tata for now. Thanks, Paul. Boom. Yeah. Goodnight everybody.
